Curse

unclepunchy · Aug 08, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

so runing with a random group thru Auora Glade mission and one of our monks decided to be funny i guess and made himself un rez-able....and he kept telling us to keep goin on and not to worry about him...that he cannot be rezed...

WTF?????

THIS REALLY pissed me off due to the fact that i was a 1/2 monk and had rebirth loaded. he would res and then die instantaniously....i sat screaming at this sludge not even worthy of sharing this planet with human...."get up and fight like a man damn you!"

i think he had switched his armor with other massive negitive armor(all superiors)

my question is why? and what kind of coward cant even fight in a freaking game? sheesh....we ended up winning mission with 3 characters left....

why? TO BE A MOOCH?....can someone explain? what does this achieve?

i would have rathered the normal "ive got lots of lag" or the ones that stand at entry port...

i wish i could remember the freakin name of the guy

unbeliveable

unclepunchy

Jade · Aug 08, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Oh it was most definately the fact that the "dead" monk had a bad case of Freeloadis Assholis. I've met this type of individual many many times. In 99% of cases it's just someone who will join to get the mission with no effort on thier part. The other 1% is comprised of people who maybe went to the bathroom or whatever. Either way, they should have the courtesy to tell the group, "Hey I gotta go take a massive squishy, can you wait 5 min?"

Arvydas · Aug 08, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

That monk is using some invincible builds that require superior runes and such. If he dies, he's not rez-able with Rebirth (because it doesn't rez at full health). Resurrection Signet would do.

I got pissed with such a monk in UW as well...

Dovi the Monk · Aug 08, 2005, 11:19 PM // 23:19

no monk should use superior runes i dont think myself, my monk has one major and minors. Ofcourse a superior vig rune is a must have, yet to get one myself : /.

TheGreatBoo · Aug 08, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Wow. Don't make any more ignorant posts please. Its called the 105 build where you're near to invincible. The death penalty takes you far enough down so you don't have enough health to be resable. The only way to bring someone up is ressurection signet.

Scaphism · Aug 08, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Updated with new info
Even if you're running around at 105 hit points, the Death Penalty is a percentage of your base hitpoint score, before runes (and other items) are factored in. If you rez with anything less than 192 hit points (40% of 480), you die instantly. I've never tried rezzing someone with 5 superiors on using a rez signet. Following the logic (rezzing someone at 0/0 hitpoints causes them to insta-die again) means that rez signet shouldn't work either. It's worth testing.

Unfortunately you have to deal with jerks in the world, sounds like you got one. Spend the extra 30s talking to them before you start the mission- it may save you a lot more grief later on.

Also, for everyone reading: Don't hijack the thread to talk about underworld monks. Don't flame people. And for those of you who don't know, do not list the name of anyone who has griefed you in-game. If you truly were griefed, you have our sympathy; report the griefer to ANet. The potential abuse from blacklisting is not something we will deal with at Guru.

Uzul · Aug 09, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

with 5 sup runes on and 45 dp you get ressed with 1hp... without a full res there is no res then... the 105 build (funny to see it got a trendy name by now as well, damm what has this world turned into?) is pretty old and usally one should be smart enough not to party up with it for missions or anything else that will have enchant removal for sure...

the never ending story of saints and jerks in a world designed for the mass.
people are idiots, we just have to deal with it.
since i started not to care about the time i spend on grouping up and talking about general strategies the amount of jerks in my parties went nearly to 0. just take time not to "lfg" but type something like... "looking for patient adventurers to [...]"

a small touch of roleplay would be good for tyria.

/edit regarding the hp of the 105 build with dp: it's a while ago but should be still correct: when getting 30dp or more your maxhp will get below the 375hp mark... thats what all the sup runes would suck up anyway... after this point you will have 1hp - thus you die instantly when getting hit / or you die immediately when you don't get ressed at full health (0/1hp) (res signet or res portal in xplorables)

sidepocket13 · Aug 09, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

i have the 105 build on a seperate set of armor, i ONLY use it for farming...........what kind of freak would burden other people in a mission doing that? man people tick me off

Jade · Aug 09, 2005, 01:08 AM // 01:08

That's why I bought 2 sets of armor for my monk. 1 for soloing and one for grouping. Makes life a whole lot easier when you're partying with other people and you can give yourself over 400 health.

Krank · Aug 09, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22

a 105 build at 60 dp still gets 1 hp, BUT can not move from that until a good bit of the DP is removed, and yes a res sig will bring him back to a useles 1hp

Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 09, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Hahaha, that's so funny it's actually unfunny.

He could have carried spare armour if he was intelligent enough but it sounds like your team was the guinea pig.

Sekkira · Aug 09, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I done something like that to a team once. Brought up a level 2 into post searing, took them into the first mission with their armour littered with cheap ass superiors just to see what happened when I died. It was a great laugh, only one other person took it jokingly, the other two were freaking out. They managed to do the mission and bonus, but I still compensated them with a bit of money at Fort Ranik. 1 plat should have been enough to get them on their way with armour :>

Freyas · Aug 09, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

I believe restore life at high levels(14-16) will also work to resurrect someone with 1 max hp due to DP and superior runes. The thing is, you need to resurrect them with more than 50% health for their health to round up to 1. At anything less than 50%, they will have 0 health and immediately die again.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 09, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

this happend to my group doing thunderhead keep, during the invasion a monk died and i could not rez him, neither could anyone else until somone used signet

Mithie · Aug 09, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

He would probably have been better off if he fought naked. Just tell him to take all his armor off.

Mesmerized · Aug 09, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

yeah on a run to granite citadel, this mesmer did that maybe 1/4th of the way through just to mooch off the work of the remaining 5

elenna · Aug 09, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Would Vengeance work to rez a 105 build?

moonshadow · Aug 09, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

OK, what am I missing here...if he's "invincible" with this build and armor, why does he keep dying??

Azreal911 · Aug 09, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I wish they start implementing group kicking soon! you may say there will be abuse but there's enough abuse as it is this way. At least with the kicking enabled if they are not with the main group for a set period of time you can kick them. on less useless player and more people would actually help out in a group!

TheGreatBoo · Aug 09, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

When you're unresable due to dp, its not mooching off other people. It's stupid move you did by not planning for this in the future and make sure you're team is aware of this. Mooching would be going afk the remainder of the mission or journey, only to coincidentally get back immediately after.

The "invincible" monk build, or 105 build, is very weak to debuffs and degens. It's the same with every build, they all have their weaknesses.

Yes, unyielding aura, vengeance will res them. It also gives them a chance to remove armor so that they can normally be ressed.